Talk:British units in World War I - Revision history

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2014-12-17T12:40:42Z

GavinRobinson: progress and outstanding queries

2014-12-16T20:07:59Z

progress and outstanding queries

Mia: Mia moved page Talk:British battalions and regiments in World War I to Talk:British units in World War I: Making pages names more consistent

2014-12-11T14:35:07Z

Mia moved page Talk:British battalions and regiments in World War I to Talk:British units in World War I: Making pages names more consistent

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2014-12-09T16:09:52Z

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GavinRobinson at 15:49, 9 December 2014

2014-12-09T15:49:12Z

Mia: Linked to Template talk:Infobox theatre of war/doc

2014-12-04T01:19:35Z

Linked to Template talk:Infobox theatre of war/doc

GavinRobinson: /* Scaling Up */

2014-11-25T16:01:39Z

‎Scaling Up

Mia: /* Scaling Up */ Updates on supporting structures

2014-11-24T01:27:50Z

‎Scaling Up: Updates on supporting structures

GavinRobinson: /* Scaling Up */

2014-11-20T13:55:09Z

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2014-11-19T23:06:00Z

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	If you could e-mail me via [[Special:EmailUser/GavinRobinson]] to let me know your address, I'll e-mail you the XML files when they're ready.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 12:07, 16 December 2014 (PST)		If you could e-mail me via [[Special:EmailUser/GavinRobinson]] to let me know your address, I'll e-mail you the XML files when they're ready.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 12:07, 16 December 2014 (PST)
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		+	:: The template is updated, and I tweaked one of the comments while I was at it but didn't look at transcluded comments this time. --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 04:40, 17 December 2014 (PST)

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	:: Fantastic news! I can't wait to see it. I've been going through various sources to test the infobox structure and will follow particular units through Becke's tomorrow. --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 08:09, 9 December 2014 (PST)		:: Fantastic news! I can't wait to see it. I've been going through various sources to test the infobox structure and will follow particular units through Becke's tomorrow. --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 08:09, 9 December 2014 (PST)
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		+	Very nearly there now. I should be able to send you the first batch of pages tomorrow. Most issues are resolved or not urgent. I just need to know whether the source headings in [[Template:Battalion]] should stay as they are or change to what I [http://collaborativecollections.org/WorldWarOne/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ABattalion&diff=910&oldid=892 last suggested]. And are there any changes you want to make to the HTML comments in [[Template:Battalion]]? That's all.
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		+	I've got the XML export/import process working and just need to finish the functions to fill in the page content, which is mostly a case of select queries and string concatenation, so not much can go wrong.
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		+	If you could e-mail me via [[Special:EmailUser/GavinRobinson]] to let me know your address, I'll e-mail you the XML files when they're ready.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 12:07, 16 December 2014 (PST)

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	Progress: I've nearly finished turning the CSV into a relational database, which was the hard part. It should be done tomorrow, then I can start writing Python functions to pull data out of the database and format it as wiki pages, which should be easy. There will be about 1,100 British battalions, 200 Indian battalions, 300 brigades and divisions, 100 British infantry regiments, plus redirects for alternative names or abbreviations of some regiments. A battalion's tactical parents will be included only if it was in a brigade or in divisional troops. Brigades will have parent divisions. Units and formations will have at least one theatre with at least approximate dates. Now to catch up on all the other talk pages.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 07:49, 9 December 2014 (PST)		Progress: I've nearly finished turning the CSV into a relational database, which was the hard part. It should be done tomorrow, then I can start writing Python functions to pull data out of the database and format it as wiki pages, which should be easy. There will be about 1,100 British battalions, 200 Indian battalions, 300 brigades and divisions, 100 British infantry regiments, plus redirects for alternative names or abbreviations of some regiments. A battalion's tactical parents will be included only if it was in a brigade or in divisional troops. Brigades will have parent divisions. Units and formations will have at least one theatre with at least approximate dates. Now to catch up on all the other talk pages.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 07:49, 9 December 2014 (PST)
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		+	:: Fantastic news! I can't wait to see it. I've been going through various sources to test the infobox structure and will follow particular units through Becke's tomorrow. --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 08:09, 9 December 2014 (PST)

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	:: I've started this on[[Template talk:Infobox theatre of war/doc]] --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 17:19, 3 December 2014 (PST)		:: I've started this on[[Template talk:Infobox theatre of war/doc]] --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 17:19, 3 December 2014 (PST)
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		+	Progress: I've nearly finished turning the CSV into a relational database, which was the hard part. It should be done tomorrow, then I can start writing Python functions to pull data out of the database and format it as wiki pages, which should be easy. There will be about 1,100 British battalions, 200 Indian battalions, 300 brigades and divisions, 100 British infantry regiments, plus redirects for alternative names or abbreviations of some regiments. A battalion's tactical parents will be included only if it was in a brigade or in divisional troops. Brigades will have parent divisions. Units and formations will have at least one theatre with at least approximate dates. Now to catch up on all the other talk pages.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 07:49, 9 December 2014 (PST)

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 :least ambiguous ordinal number + any words absolutely necessary for disambiguation + short form of regiment name + suffix ", UK"
 Examples:
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 :short form of regiment name + suffix ", UK"
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 *46th Division, UK
 *1st Cavalry Division, UK
 As for the body of the page, I think the British will definitely need repeatable infoboxes (but Australians won't because their battalion names don't change and are likely to be the same as the page name). Infobox will probably need to include:
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 Apart from things already being discussed on other talk pages, I'll need infobox for theatre/location to be ready. There's no big hurry as I won't have the command structures sorted out until next week.--[[User:GavinRobinson|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson|talk]]) 08:01, 25 November 2014 (PST)

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	:::: I haven't done anything about theatres of war yet. See [[Template talk:Infobox command structure]] for discussion of names. What's your preference for naming conventions for British battalions and regiments? Finally, is there anything else you need resolved to go ahead with importing the WO 95 data? --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 17:27, 23 November 2014 (PST)		:::: I haven't done anything about theatres of war yet. See [[Template talk:Infobox command structure]] for discussion of names. What's your preference for naming conventions for British battalions and regiments? Finally, is there anything else you need resolved to go ahead with importing the WO 95 data? --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 17:27, 23 November 2014 (PST)
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		+	(Continued from above.)
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		+	My preference for constructing the page names of British battalions is:
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		+	:least ambiguous ordinal number + any words absolutely necessary for disambiguation + short form of regiment name + suffix ", UK"
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		+	Examples:
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		+	*1st Battalion Royal West Surrey Regiment, UK
		+	*1/5th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment, UK
		+	*1st Garrison Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment, UK
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		+	For regiment page names:
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		+	:short form of regiment name + suffix ", UK"
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		+	Examples:
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		+	*Yorkshire Regiment, UK
		+	*Lincolnshire Regiment, UK
		+	*Cameronians (Scottish Rifles), UK
		+	*Irish Guards, UK
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		+	Division page names:
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		+	:ordinal number, if any + any words absolutely necessary for disambiguation + "Division" + suffix ", UK"
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		+	Examples:
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		+	*1st Division, UK
		+	*Guards Division, UK
		+	*46th Division, UK
		+	*1st Cavalry Division, UK
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		+	As for the body of the page, I think the British will definitely need repeatable infoboxes (but Australians won't because their battalion names don't change and are likely to be the same as the page name). Infobox will probably need to include:
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		+	*full name: the longest form of the name, including full regiment name and any optional words
		+	*short name: the full name shortened according to the same rules as the page title
		+	*any other alternative names
		+	*start date
		+	*end date
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		+	Example values:
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		+	*page name: 1/5th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment, UK
		+	*infobox:
		+	**start date: 1/4/1908
		+	**end date: 1/1/1915
		+	**full name: 5th Battalion Alexandra, Princess of Wales's Own (Yorkshire Regiment)
		+	**short name: 5th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment
		+	**other name: 5th Battalion Green Howards
		+	*infobox:
		+	**start date: 1/1/1915
		+	**end date: 6/11/1918
		+	**full name: 1/5th Battalion Alexandra, Princess of Wales's Own (Yorkshire Regiment)
		+	**short name: 1/5th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment
		+	**other name: 1/5th Battalion Green Howards
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		+	(Or should nation suffix be separated by ; because some regiment names have , in them?)
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		+	Apart from things already being discussed on other talk pages, I'll need infobox for theatre/location to be ready. There's no big hurry as I won't have the command structures sorted out until next week.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 08:01, 25 November 2014 (PST)

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	:::I've also downloaded search results CSV files from Discovery and am starting to smooth the data out (it's inconsistent but usable). The data I can get will apply to a range of dates covered by the official war diaries. It's derived from the theatres and divisions that the diaries are filed under, which doesn't necessarily reflect every theatre, brigade or division a battalion was in but covers at least some. Parent regiment is administrative, and will be derived from the unit name in the title of the catalogue record.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 05:55, 20 November 2014 (PST)		:::I've also downloaded search results CSV files from Discovery and am starting to smooth the data out (it's inconsistent but usable). The data I can get will apply to a range of dates covered by the official war diaries. It's derived from the theatres and divisions that the diaries are filed under, which doesn't necessarily reflect every theatre, brigade or division a battalion was in but covers at least some. Parent regiment is administrative, and will be derived from the unit name in the title of the catalogue record.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 05:55, 20 November 2014 (PST)
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		+	:::: I've updated the command structure infobox so you can record parent and grandparent units for both administrative and tactical relationships, it has start and end date and allows references (as footnotes).
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		+	:::: War diaries should go into the appropriate section of the page (and update the category tag to show the battalion has a linked diary)
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		+	:::: I haven't done anything about theatres of war yet. See [[Template talk:Infobox command structure]] for discussion of names. What's your preference for naming conventions for British battalions and regiments? Finally, is there anything else you need resolved to go ahead with importing the WO 95 data? --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 17:27, 23 November 2014 (PST)

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	:: Looks good! When you say 'parent regiment', do you mean administrative or tactical? Is your data from a particular point in time or generalised across the years? Getting at least a marker in for parent/grandparent units at a particular point in time would be a good start. --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 15:06, 19 November 2014 (PST)		:: Looks good! When you say 'parent regiment', do you mean administrative or tactical? Is your data from a particular point in time or generalised across the years? Getting at least a marker in for parent/grandparent units at a particular point in time would be a good start. --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 15:06, 19 November 2014 (PST)
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		+	:::I've now put up some [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DnCneyddaAexxhZ9zcLRnvv0decHH4aK_VqpRASr7dQ/edit notes and queries] about naming specific units, regiments and formations.
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		+	:::I've also downloaded search results CSV files from Discovery and am starting to smooth the data out (it's inconsistent but usable). The data I can get will apply to a range of dates covered by the official war diaries. It's derived from the theatres and divisions that the diaries are filed under, which doesn't necessarily reflect every theatre, brigade or division a battalion was in but covers at least some. Parent regiment is administrative, and will be derived from the unit name in the title of the catalogue record.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 05:55, 20 November 2014 (PST)

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	:I've put up a [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E4uTBnG9qjePClFKHbvWSn55-5xF2V3H6Q0jNX5Dr2A/edit?usp=sharing spreadsheet of British infantry regiment names]. I'm starting to type up some notes and questions on naming of regiments and units.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 02:58, 19 November 2014 (PST)		:I've put up a [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E4uTBnG9qjePClFKHbvWSn55-5xF2V3H6Q0jNX5Dr2A/edit?usp=sharing spreadsheet of British infantry regiment names]. I'm starting to type up some notes and questions on naming of regiments and units.--[[User:GavinRobinson\|GavinRobinson]] ([[User talk:GavinRobinson\|talk]]) 02:58, 19 November 2014 (PST)
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		+	:: Looks good! When you say 'parent regiment', do you mean administrative or tactical? Is your data from a particular point in time or generalised across the years? Getting at least a marker in for parent/grandparent units at a particular point in time would be a good start. --[[User:Mia\|Mia]] ([[User talk:Mia\|talk]]) 15:06, 19 November 2014 (PST)